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Originally created by @matteyas on GitHub (May 13, 2024).
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I tried to download audio (webm) with youtube-dl. Worked fine. Then tried to download video+audio (webm) and youtube-dl refuses, even though it's not the same file.
I have noticed two possible fixes, and I figure both would be good to have:
--force-download(The justification for (2) is that
--skip-downloadand--simulateare available.)Verbose log
@dirkf commented on GitHub (May 13, 2024):
If you expect that the file you are downloading should replace an existing file or file group, you have to say so (see below for how), or manually delete or move the unwanted file(s). Not re-downloading content and not overwriting potentially "precious" content are design features of the program so that you can repeatedly invoke the program to download further metadata without affecting what has already been saved.
You can specify an output template containing
%(format_id)sif you want to discriminate between different formats of the same media item, and then delete any unwanted formats and/or rename a preferred item.Somewhat unintuitively, if you want to force overwriting with the same output template, you have to specify
--no-continueas well as not specifying--no-overwrites(off by default).yt-dlp has implemented a slightly improved, I think, set of options:
But, unless a lot of people ask for this to be back-ported, or someone actually offers a PR, it's not likely to be implemented here.
@matteyas commented on GitHub (May 21, 2024):
I see. I was unaware of the dlp alternative, so that's good to know. I'd agree that the manual force switch is rather weird; had I known that there was a possibility to get around the issue I wouldn't have posted here, so maybe at least add some info about how to do it? (Maybe there is info, I'm just a bit impatient when --help produces several pages so I didn't find it at a glance. I'll ask some LLM to interpret the --help next time.)
@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (May 25, 2024):
Sounds like a rather bad idea. Rather, we should do it like wget and insert a number before the file name extension unless users explicitly request destructive action.
Ideally we could offer something like
%(format_id)sthat inserts itself (and a separator befor/after) only if the file without this name part already exists and is non-empty. However, I see that about every detail in the previous sentence strays far from the current flow, and would open entire new cans of worms.@dirkf commented on GitHub (May 26, 2024):
Exactly: there are so many features in the file naming code, even more so with yt-dlp, that changing anything has the danger of unwanted feature interaction: in fact this has already happened.
@matteyas commented on GitHub (May 27, 2024):
Huh, I don't get that myself. If I happen to overwrite something I didn't want to—and I think I could count how often this has happened on one hand for my entire life, but perhaps that is unusual—I'd just… overwrite it again? (Which would be pretty quick since it'd be default behavior.) :D
But anyway, default behavior in Windows is to prompt. "Are you 100% certain you want to overwrite the precious file that is already there?" :)
(Again, I'm just throwing my cents around; I understand if this is more or less a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.)
@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (May 27, 2024):
Which is also bad. Forces users to make a decision between right, destructive wrong or time-wasting wrong (the latter being taking their time to think). The wget evasion strategy is superior because it can immediately start doing what the user actually wanted (transfering bytes) while the user has lots of time to decide what name those bytes shall be known as.
@matteyas commented on GitHub (May 29, 2024):
I would love that! See initial post. :)
Regarding prompts and time wasting, if it starts cluttering my disk with
video (1).mp4files that I have to manually deal with afterwards, how is that not at least as big of a time sink as a binary decision followed by pressingyornandenter?(As an addendum, I'd suggest that this issue with conflicting filenames is quite rare in regular usage of the tool, and also, overwrites are basically completely safe in this context. Maybe some people disagree with those assumptions, and that's why I don't grasp this being such a contended issue?)
@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (May 29, 2024):
The "afterwards" is the key point. On good file systems, you can rename while the file is being downloaded. Thus, the time that you need to make your decision, does not add to the download time.
Even on bad file systems, the main advantage is the lack of time pressure for the decision, which stochastically helps avoid user error. Same reason why it's better to offer easy undo rather than lots of confirmations that users get used to blindly confirming.
@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (May 29, 2024):
How so? Imagine a 4 hour lecture. My VLC is playing it, currently at 3 hours in. Now yt-dl starts overwriting the file. Let's assume it only starts doing so once it has the first MB buffered. With my usual YouTube download rates I'll have to wait at least an hour until I can continue watching. It gets worse…
@matteyas commented on GitHub (May 30, 2024):
Huh, I was unaware that that's a problem people face on a regular basis. File confirmation anxiety. Blind confirmation of file overwrites. Taking significant time to decide on filenames.
Could you give me some numbers on how often this occurs in the real world? I can't remember it ever occurring for me personally, and I have some trouble imagining that others have to struggle much more than someone as foolish as myself.
Because it's just a video file, and because it almost never happens. If that seems like a controversial take, I'd love some statistics on how often someone is watching something and decide to redownload the same video while doing so.
Happily, though, if I ever were to screw up to that extent, my "bad file system" would save me since VLC locks the file while it's playing.
Anyway, we clearly have pretty different problems and ways to deal with them—from my perspective it is extremely obvious that a video downloader is a completely safe context for overwrites—so I'll disengage if future discourse seems fruitless.
@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (Jun 1, 2024):
Yeah, people are usually good at avoiding decision fatigue, and even when they cannot, most don't experience it consciously or misattribute the symptoms. I'm probably a bit more affected because my work and leisure both include activities where sometimes I have to spend hours on end making decision after decision, and even so I went through most of my life without knowing there was a name for it. Science also could use more research on what factors besides placebo make people more/less prone to the phenomenon.
No, I'm not that deep into psychology.
Is it even still an issue? As far as I understood @dirkf above, you can achieve the desired behavior by adding
--no-continueto the CLI arguments, or (according to readme) to your default options config file (%APPDATA%/youtube-dl/config.txton Windows).Once you do that, yt-dl will overwrite by default, i.e. unless you use
--no-overwrites. I'll file a PR to clarify the--helpand readme about that.@matteyas commented on GitHub (Jun 4, 2024):
No issue for me. Thanks for the suggestion, I was unaware of the configuration file; though I updated my macros to include the flag anyway. Updating the
--helpseems useful, since the--no-continueflag entry doesn't mention forcing overwrites.@dirkf commented on GitHub (Jun 4, 2024):
It's not so much that
--no-continueforces overwrites; rather the desirable default behaviour where an incomplete download is restarted from the point of failure (say, when 2.4 of 2.5GB had been fetched before whatever error) is incompatible with the other default of overwriting downloaded files. So to overwrite files you have to give up--continue.You might wonder what happens with
--no-overwritesandno-continuetogether. This is an exercise for the reader, though not a Knuth-style exercise whose solution needs a term paper, I hope.@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (Oct 21, 2024):
What can I help to move this forward? (Have you seen my PR?)
@matteyas commented on GitHub (Oct 25, 2024):
The only thing that's still weirding me out is that there's no
--overwriteswitch. It's an extremely common operator, and you have to use this "workaround" switch to replicate it; which puts some demand on the user knowing the inner workings described by dirkf in the quote.Highly suspect design choice, in my view. I'm guessing someone is thinking "oh wow, that would actually be code reuse!" or some similar bane of reason.
Besides that, there's no issue as far as I can tell. Feel free to close the issue, or tell me to do it. ^^
(Disclaimer: I did not look at mk-pmb's PR, so if that adds the switch in question, great.)
@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (Oct 25, 2024):
As far as I understand, ytdl has little priority on being intuitive, because the role of a user-centric frontend is better served by third-party projects already.
My PR intends to make it easier to obtain the required knowledge, by hopefully making it easier to find the required flags when you search the readme for how to overwrite a file. Since you are the only tester we can easily call to help for this issue, I would love if you could comment on whether this new readme would have helped you
@matteyas commented on GitHub (Oct 26, 2024):
It would probably help, even though it would still rely on me knowing that the readme is easily available online, since I'd have to use ctrl+f to find it.
An actual
--overwriteflag (that acts as a synonym for--no-continue) would likely be easier to spot in the console--helpsection, which means I'd be fine without knowing about the online readme.A minor issue, but you wanted my feedback so I hope it's not perceived as nagging. Having the behavior spelled out for
--no-continueis an improvement.@mk-pmb commented on GitHub (Oct 26, 2024):
The changes from the PR will also be in
--helponce this is merged. (Because the relevant section of the online readme is actually based on--help.) It still won't be on the left side, but inyoutube-dl --help | grep -i overwriteyou should see it.